Beatles History Blog

Who is the “Man on the Flaming Pie?” How did Beetles become Beatles?

Paul McCartney's Flaming Pie
Paul McCartney’s Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie by Paul McCartney

Paul McCartney’s 10th studio album, Flaming Pie, was released in 1997 and one of his best albums, in my opinion. In 2020, it is about to be reissued with a deluxe boxset.

Changing Names – from beetles to beatles

When John Lennon, Paul McCartney and George Harrison decided they had had enough of the name “Quarrymen”, it was their latest recruit, Stuart Sutcliffe, who suggested a new name. In tribute to their hero Buddy Holly, whose group was called The Crickets, Stuart suggested “Beetles”. But how would it be spelled? In 1960, the group used many spellings, and variations, of the name Beetles. Interestingly, before calling themselves The Crickets, Holly’s group considered the name “Beetles” too. (Fab one hundred and Four)

the Beetles “Myth”

One often quoted myth can be debunked, which was quoted by George Harrison. The name was not inspired by the 1953 Marlon Brando film The Wild One, which refers to the rival gang led by Lee Marvin as “The Beetles”. The film was banned in England by the British Board of Film Censors until 1968.

The Man on the Flaming Pie?

So what about the “Man on the Flaming Pie”? Although Paul McCartney had an album and a song; “I’m the Man on the Flaming Pie”, he wasn’t. On Page 2 of the first issue of Bill Harry’s Mersey Beat, John Lennon wrote his biography of the origins of the group, which Bill Harry titled “Being a Short Diversion on the Origins of Beatles (Translated from The John Lennon).”

In it, Lennon wrote:

Many people ask what are Beatles? Why Beatles? Ugh, Beatles, how did the name arrive? So we will tell you. It came in a vision – a man appeared on a flaming pie and said unto them ‘From this day on you are Beatles with an ‘A’. Thank you, mister man, they said, thanking him.

Meet the real “Man on the Flaming Pie”

For years, many have scoffed at this as a bit of fun. However, there is a true story behind the “man on the flaming pie”, as detailed in The Fab one hundred and Four. His name is Royston Ellis, and he was a Beat Poet who visited Liverpool, and was backed by a group, known as The Beetles, at Liverpool University. I interviewed him for the book, and he told me the story of what happened in Gambier Terrace, looking every bit like a Beatnik paradise. He sat there with John, Paul, George and Stu, and discussed the possibility of them coming back down to London to back him as a beat group.

While there, they had an experience with a drug, of sorts, remembered by John later:

Beat Poet Royston Ellis, whom The Beetles, not Beatles, supported in Liverpool. Ellis was the man on the flaming pie
Royston Ellis

‘By the way, the first dope, from a Benzedrine inhaler, was given to The Beatles (John, George, Paul and Stuart) by an (in retrospect) obviously ‘English cover version of Allen – one Royston Ellis, known as beat-poet (he read poetry whilst we played 12-bar blues at the local in-place!).
So give the saint his due.
Love,
John Lennon

Record Mirror where Royston Ellis refers to the Beatles, but showing the spelling of The Beetles, and how they could come down to London
Record Mirror mentioning The Beetles

Whether it was under the influence of “Vicks” or not, Royston Ellis and John Lennon had a discussion about their group’s name. In a newspaper report, Ellise refers to the group The Beetles, and how he is hoping to bring them down to London as his backing group. “John and George liked the idea, though Paul and Stu were less keen.”

Beetles with an “A”

“I suggested that since they liked the beat scene and they were coming to London to back me, a beat poet, why not spell it with an ‘A’? I had bought a chicken pie and mushrooms for dinner. I might have had the money but I did not know much about cooking, and the result was that I overcooked the mushrooms and burnt the chicken pie. I have always assumed that gave rise to John’s reference to ‘a man on a flaming pie’ suggesting they call themselves Beatles with an A.” (Fab one hundred and Four)

And very soon afterwards, they settled on Beatles with an “A”, never to be changed.

For the full story of the Beatles names in 1960, and the interviews, see The Fab one hundred and Four: The Evolution of The Beatles.

David Bedford

Liddypod 11 – The Country of Liverpool

The Country of Liverpool
The Country of Liverpool

Liddypod 11

Liddypod is back after a short absence during the coronavirus pandemic and we have started with this new episode. My partner in podcast, Paul Beesley, interviews me as we discuss my upcoming new book, “The Country of Liverpool”. We have a good old chinwag about the country music scene in Liverpool, skiffle, The Quarrymen and The Beatles and how their roots are firmly in country music.

Enjoy!

David

It Was 20 Years Ago Today – Fibromyalgia

Liddypool: Birthplace of The Beatles by David Bedford
Liddypool: Birthplace of The Beatles by David Bedford

It was 20 years ago today (almost) that, after being treated for rheumatoid arthritis for 2 years I went to see my doctor as I was ill yet again. He signed me off for 1 month. A month? That is ridiculous. But he was right. He hadn’t been trying to tell me for a few months that I couldn’t keep working like I was doing. I was a physical wreck. I hadn’t slept well for over 18 months, was constantly tired, my body was aching and I couldn’t think straight. That was June 2000 and I never returned to work again.

Fibro-my-what?

I was another 12 months before I was properly diagnosed. The consultant who had been treating me since September 1998 for rheumatoid arthritis was wrong. A second opinion from another consultant re-diagnosed me in less than 30 minutes. He told me I had fibromyalgia. Eh? Never heard of it!

YNWA – You’ll Never Work Again

My doctor told me straight, having been off work for 12 months already, that I would not be returning to work. I was, by then, 36 with three young children. Retiring at 36 sounds ideal, but I had worked since leaving school and was suddenly unable to work.

What is Fibromyalgia?

I am still learning about it all these years later. It is a syndrome which means that there are a collection of symptoms gathered together under the one umbrella term of fibromyalgia. The definition is fibro= fibrous tissues of the body, my=muscles, algia=pain.

The definition is given as: “A rheumatic condition characterized by muscular or musculoskeletal pain with stiffness and localised tenderness at specific points on the body.”

Main symptoms of the condition are:

1. Chronic fatigue

2. Joint pain, stiffness and disorders

3. IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome)

4. Poor circulation and tingling in peripheries especially fingers and toes

5. Forgetfulness – short-term memory especially

6. Sleep disturbance

7. Lack of concentration

What I have learned over the years is that everybody who suffers with fibromyalgia has a variation in the symptoms.

My Fibromyalgia

What this means is that I have chronic pain in every muscles and joint in my body, 24/7, 365 days a year. However, the rheumatism aggravates it when it is just damp or raining. This causes every joint in my body to ache even more than it does usually.

One of the biggest changes was going from playing football, cricket and golf to not being able to walk 50 yards without pain in less than 2 years. That was a dramatic change to my life.

I haven’t had a good night’s sleep since the summer of 1998 – that is not an exaggeration either. I have tablets to help me sleep every night, but I never feel that I have had a good night’s sleep and always wake with a “hangover”.

I take about 16 tablets a day to keep me going and, after a while, you gain a tolerance to the pain, because you just get used to living with it. The associated conditions for me are generalised arthritis in my joints, diabetes (type 2) and high blood pressure, which all developed with the fibromyalgia.

The Cure?

There isn’t one! All they can do is treat the symptoms, hence the tablets.

Prescribing The Beatles

My doctor, the late Peter Griffiths, was an amazing support with coming to terms with living with fibromyalgia. He told me look for something that interested me and finding a new way to spend my day. It was then that I started writing about The Beatles and Liverpool for the London Beatles Fan Club, which became The British Beatles Fan Club, for whom I still write. Dr Griffiths encouraged me to pursue that, which got me out of the house and engaged mentally in following this as a hobby. It wasn’t until 2007 that I got a publishing deal for my first book, that became Liddypool. Little did I know how much that would change my life.

I loved the process of researching and writing Liddypool, so I wrote The Fab One Hundred and Four: The Evolution of The Beatles, again to critical acclaim. By now I was being invited to Beatles conventions in the UK and US especially. Amazing. I have jointly published a book with Beatles Biographer Hunter Davies, Finding the Fourth Beatle and working on 4 book projects at the moment. I was also engaged as the historian and Associate Producer for the documentary, Looking for Lennon. What a privilege.

Living with Fibromyalgia

So I still live with fibromyalgia and that is not going to change. Many people now know more about the condition than they did 20 years ago, though I am still learning about it. Celebrities like Morgan Freeman and Lady Gaga have helped to raise the profile of the condition, though there is still so much ignorance surrounding it, especially among the medical profession, which is tough.

BUT! I have made so many friends through having fibromyalgia and we help each other. That support is essential because it is a hard condition to describe. You can’t show somebody an x-ray, a blood test, a scan, to prove you have the condition. There is no physical test you can show anybody that says you have fibromyalgia.

Family and Friends

The support of my wife Alix, my daughters and extended family have been invaluable. I could not have done it without them. It also sorted out who those genuine friends were, because they were the ones who stood by me. Again, that has been invaluable. I have had so much encouragement and support it is truly humbling. Don’t be afraid to reach out.

Positives

if I hadn’t fallen ill and had to give up work, I would never have become an Beatles historian, author and researcher. I LOVE what I do. It has become my therapy and the best way to deal with a condition like fibromyalgia. I can do what I want, when I am able, and rest when I need to rest. Sometimes I over do it, and that knocks me out for a few days. But there is hope, if you are a sufferer too.

The End

As some Liverpool band once sang; “And in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love you make”.

All You Need Is Love – and a pocketful of pills too!

Useful Links

More information about fibromyalgia from the NHS is here

Help and support is available from charities like Fibromyalgia UK

How Little Richard Inspired The Beatles

Long Tall Sally by Little Richard
Long Tall Sally by Little Richard

With the news of the sad death of Little Richard, what was the true impact of this rock ‘n’ roll icon?

Long Tall Sally

“Long Tall Sally” by Little Richard was covered so many times over the years, but it was especially important to John Lennon, which is featured in a fantastic book by Michael Hill.

John Lennon: The Boy Who Became A Legend
John Lennon: The Boy Who Became A Legend

A few years ago, some friends of mine told me about Michael’s story and how it should be published, as it was such a good story. I was therefore more than happy to help it get published. His book, “John Lennon, The Boy Who Became A Legend“, tells the story of how Michael bought “Long Tall Sally” on a school trip to Amsterdam, brought it back to Liverpool and played it for John Lennon at Michael’s home. John’s reaction was silence, followed by an incredible quote:

John Lennon on Long Tall Sally

“Little Richard was one of the all-time greats. The first time I heard him, a friend of mine (Mike Hill) had been to Holland and brought back a 78 with ‘Long Tall Sally’. That’s the music that brought me from the provinces of England to the world. That’s what made me what I am.”

Michael’s story is unique, having been a friend of John’s from the age of 5 at Dovedale School continuing through Quarry Bank too. I recommend the book, which you can get here.

Long Tall Sally and The Beatles

The Beatles with Little Richard
The Beatles with Little Richard at New Brighton Tower Ballroom

The song features at some many important events throughout Beatles history. When Paul auditions for John on 6th July 1957 at the Woolton Fete, Paul performed some of “Long Tall Sally”. On the stages of Hamburg, it was an important part of their set.

When The Beatles returned from Hamburg in 1960, their iconic performance at Litherland Town Hall began with “Long Tall Sally”. When The Beatles travel to America in February 1964, they perform “Long Tall Sally”. At their last concert at Candlestick Park on 29th August 1966, their final song was “Long Tall Sally”. The song, in a way, defines The Beatles career.

Little Richard was a true rock ‘n’ roll hero for The Beatles and the rest of the world too.

When I Met Little Richard

I had the quite unexpected privilege of seeing Little Richard in person when I travelled to Memphis and Nashville a few years ago. I had heard that he was living in the Hilton Hotel in Nashville. I had checked my suitcase into the Hilton while I was sightseeing, before heading to Memphis.

When I checked my bag out, the door of the hotel opened, and in came Little Richard! I was dumbstruck, which doesn’t often happen. He was now in a wheelchair, but wearing a smart three-piece suit and tie, being pushed in his chair. I looked at him and he just looked up and smiled, so I smiled too and then he was wheeled away. I had seen one of my musical heroes close up. If only had the presence of mine to speak to him, but I was so shocked at seeing him I was unable to speak!

Little Richard will forever be connected with the birth of rock ‘n’ roll and The Beatles.

David Bedford

The Beatles Bookstore

The Beatles Bookstore
The Beatles Bookstore

Just Launched

So, if you haven’t seen it yet, I have launched a new website last week called The Beatles Bookstore. It is a collaboration between Beatles authors to support each other, and to showcase out books to the world!

We have author pages for each of the authors signed up and there are already nearly 30 books in the store.

Covid-19 Social Distancing

In the current climate, there are so few stores open and all the Beatles festivals have been cancelled, so this is a great opportunity for us authors to, hopefully, sell our books!

Free Book!

Just for singing up at The Beatles Bookstore you will be entered into a draw to win a signed copy of my book, “The Fab on Hundred and Four” for the month of May 2020.

Open 8 Days A Week

Please share the link and spread the word – The Beatles Bookstore is open 8 Days a Week!

www.beatlesbookstore.com

Thanks for the support

David Bedford

Liddypool – The Film

Liddypool: Birthplace of The Beatles by David Bedford
Liddypool: Birthplace of The Beatles by David Bedford

COMING SOON……

Due to popular demand and numerous requests over the years, we are going to make a documentary of my first book, Liddypool: Birthplace of The Beatles.

Liddypool

Due to the popularity of “Liddypool”, David and local film director Roger Appleton have decided to make a documentary film based around the book and celebrate The Beatles and Liverpool.

The Film: Locations

We plan to hire a vintage double-decker book to take a trip around Liverpool, visiting the famous homes and sites connected to The Beatles, from the Dingle and Wavertree. We will visit Penny Lane, Woolton, Strawberry Field and St. Peter’s Church. We will got to Mendips and Forthlin Road in Allerton. Then The Casbah in West Derby and into the city centre, The Cavern and the Beatles statues. Along the way, we will “bump into” people who were there. We will welcome people like The Quarrymen, owners of The Cavern and so many more.

The Beatles Songs

We will tell the story of the importance of Liverpool to the story of The Beatles like never before. We will be supported along the journey by Liverpool singer/ songwriter Ian Prowse who will share his musical story. He will also sing some of those Beatles songs made popular in Liverpool by The Beatles.

The Film – News Coming Soon

Sign up for the website to get updates. We will need your help to make it when we launch the crowd-funding campaign.

Thank you

David Bedford

Cy Tucker, Liverpool and The Beatles

Cy Tucker

Liverpool’s First Casualty of the Coronavirus witnessed Beatlemania

Outside of Liverpool, you’ve probably never heard of Cy Tucker. He was a legend around Liverpool and performed on the same bill as The Beatles, but sadly, he is Liverpool’s first casualty of the coronavirus.

Cy Tucker, born Thomas Thornton in 1943, played guitar and sang with Liverpool group The Cinnamons who played Litherland Town Hall on 27th December 1960, while waiting for another group to arrive. “I was bashing my brains out for a couple of hours for 30 bob,” said Tucker. “Then the Beatles came on and the girls went berserk.” This was the night when The Beatles, having returned from Hamburg, took Liverpool by storm.

Paul McCartney

Tucker then joined Earl Preston And The TTs as the second lead vocalist; this was the group that beat The Beatles in a poll in Mersey Beat. A single of the hit ballad, “My Prayer” came out in Cy Tucker’s name. “I met Paul McCartney in the Blue Angel one night. He said; You’re on the Oriole LP, This Is Mersey Beat, you’ve got a single by yourself and one with Earl Preston. You’ve got to have a hit with one of them.” But it never really happened in a big way for one of Liverpool’s great beat groups.

Cy Tucker and the Friars

He had other solo records, but became one of the most popular local acts until his death, as Cy Tucker and the Friars. His ability to sing those big, emotional ballads never disappointed his Liverpool audiences. 

Rest in Peace: Thomas “Cy Tucker” Thornton

Discover the UNTOLD story of the Country Roots of The Beatles in my NEW book

The Country of Liverpool
The Country of Liverpool

John Lennon said:

“There is the biggest Country & Western following in England in Liverpool… I heard Country & Western music in Liverpool before I heard rock ‘n’ roll.” 

* Discover the Country music scene in Liverpool from the 1950s

* The Country roots of The Beatles

* The Phil Brady story

You can PRE-ORDER the book now: The Country of Liverpool

Discover more about the story at the official website www.thecountryofliverpool.com

Review of the book:

“In 1964, The Beatles created entire LP, Beatles for Sale, as a homage to their life-long love of country music. But how did this connection to musicians such as Carl Perkins begin? It began in The Country of Liverpool! And here, in exciting and accurate detail, David Bedford walks us through the Liverpool-link to The Beatles’ country and western vibes. Known for his detailed research and passion for “getting things right,” Bedford unfolds yet another dimension in The Beatles’ story that has long been overlooked. This book is a must-read for Beatles fans and scholars alike. I loved it!”

Jude Kessler, author of the John Lennon Series

“Modern Drummer” Magazine Reviews “Finding the Fourth Beatle”

Finding the Fourth Beatle
Finding the Fourth Beatle

Finding the Fourth Beatle has received many fantastic reviews from fans and magazines too. Below is the review from Modern Drummer magazine, who liked our book and also the great book, Ringo’s White Album, by Alex Cain and Terry McCusker (experts in our book too).

“For those who must consume every morsel of Beatles history, Finding the Fourth Beatle by David Bedford and Garry Popper will sate even the thirstiest fanatics.”

“It’s maddening minutiae for some, nirvana for others”

Get your copy now. And don’t forget the Double CD too.

David Bedford